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    Help. Until recently I had no difficulty recording any shows on any specific channels.

    I'm using - MCE 2005 with Star Choice Satellite signal. (windows auto update is on)

    Now I receive the under noted message on channels & programs that previously recorded just fine.

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    “Program” cannot be recorded. Restrictions set by the Broadcaster and/or originator of the content Prohibit recording of this program.

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    These programs record just fine on my VCR as well as my Star Choice DVR up stairs. This clearly appears to be an MCE issue with MCE detecting phantom "restrictions"

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    Might not be a phontom, it may be that Star Choice has just added CMGS-A to their signal, just as Shaw cable did.   January this year they added it to 40% of the shows I like to record.

    use this url to search the forum for "CGMS"

    http://thegreenbutton.com/search/SearchResults.aspx?q=cgms&o=DateDescending&sd=3%2f18%2f2006&ed=3%2f18%2f2007
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    Unfortunately I am in the same boat on the restrictions, but only with Vista, MCE2005 doesn't seem to give me the same issues (but I have a feeling that will change soon here) either through the tuner or through firewire.  Sad thing is, it seems now that my 6-year old VCR is the better choice for me recording TV.  My inexpensive VCR's don't complain about where or how my programmes were recorded, unlike my expensive Vista rig.  :^(
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    This problem is escalating to other channels. Last Sunday 7:00 p.m. I recorded Battlestar Galactica off of Space Channel through MCE 2005 to my hard drive just fine.

    This Sunday, March 18th, the program failed to record with the following MCE message:

    "Program could not be recorded. Restrictions set by the Boradcaster and/or originator of the content Prohibit recording of this program"

    At this rate the recording capability of MCE will be totally lost very soon. This is a great loss. The program was a useful asset but without the record feature it's not worth the $$.

    I don't care if it's the T.V. Broadcaster, the signal provider or Microsoft, but I paid for the ability to record T.V. shows through MCE and watch them at a later date.

    Now I can't. <sigh>

     

     

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    You think it's bad now, I can only imagine how bad things will get with CableCARD's.  Sad [:(]
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    I occasionally have this probably usually, believe it or not, when I try to record The Wiggles for my daughter on Treehouse TV.  There is a kb on this - I installed it but it didn't seem to fix the problem for me:  http://support.microsoft.com/kb/913800/en-us.  I would say that about 10% of the time the Wiggles will not record due to this issue.

    By the way - I am in Canada (Toronto) on Rogers Cable.  Is it even legal for them to restrict your recording capability in Canada?  Is it possible this is due to a flag set by the cable/sat company.  If so and if you can use the cable cos. PVR to record but not MCE isn't this rather unethical/anti-trust, etc?

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    Get rid of Rollup 2 (the fix did not fix it for me), see the posts in the " ask Jessica" fourm...

    -Dave

    MCP, MCSA, MCSE 2003 Windows Vista Connected Exp:Home Theater for Technologists Windows Vista Connected Exp:Home Theater for Sales professionals

    My Media Center Blog and fourms....

    http://mc.anywherecool.com/Blog/

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    No KB will fix it if they are putting CGMS-A flags on your shows. 

    What you also might be seeing, is if the CURRENT show you are watching has "protection" , when you start recording a show on a different channel, the protection on the channel it was last on sometimes  STOPS the recording before the channel gets to change, so it doesn't record either..

    Example, cable box is on 55 "movie central" .   At 8:00 MCE starts a recording for channel 7 (which is unprotected).   In the 1.2 seconds it takes MCE to change the channel from 55, it has already picked up channel 55 CGMS flag, and stops the recording of channel 7 with a "recording content prohibited" error, even though there was no reason to prohibit recording channel 7.

    No, there is no laws for analog channels.   Not here, not in the USA either.
    Microsoft does this to be "friendly" to Hollywood.

    Supposedly, the flags are only supposed to be on PPV and "Premium Content"

    Shaw, in particular seems to think 40% of what is on TV is now "Premium Content" and flags it so you can't record it in MCE.

    And yes, you CAN record anything you want with the Cable Co's own PVR...   very unethical.


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    hmm, I was wrong.

    There ** ARE ** laws, in the USA, for CGMS


    The MOST prohibitive copy protection (that can be applied by the cable company) is:
    OTA broadcast - Copy Freely (EMI=00)
    PPV / VOD - Copy Never (EMI=11)
    Anything Else - Copy Once (EMI=10)

    http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/09nov20051500/edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2005/octqtr/47cfr76.1904.htm
    http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/09nov20051500/edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2005/octqtr/pdf/47cfr76.1904.pdf

    ( all the rules are in http://wireless.fcc.gov/rules.html )

    Complaints, about CGMS "copy never" being applied to NON-PPV/VOD can be submitted online here:  http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cib/fcc475.cfm

    I just found a neat thread in Ask Jessica, suggest you head over there :-)


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    RandyG:
    No KB will fix it if they are putting CGMS-A flags on your shows. 

    What you also might be seeing, is if the CURRENT show you are watching has "protection" , when you start recording a show on a different channel, the protection on the channel it was last on sometimes  STOPS the recording before the channel gets to change, so it doesn't record either..

    Example, cable box is on 55 "movie central" .   At 8:00 MCE starts a recording for channel 7 (which is unprotected).   In the 1.2 seconds it takes MCE to change the channel from 55, it has already picked up channel 55 CGMS flag, and stops the recording of channel 7 with a "recording content prohibited" error, even though there was no reason to prohibit recording channel 7.

    No, there is no laws for analog channels.   Not here, not in the USA either.
    Microsoft does this to be "friendly" to Hollywood.

    Supposedly, the flags are only supposed to be on PPV and "Premium Content"

    Shaw, in particular seems to think 40% of what is on TV is now "Premium Content" and flags it so you can't record it in MCE.

    And yes, you CAN record anything you want with the Cable Co's own PVR...   very unethical.


    As I 100% agree with you but, after Rollup 2, MCE started detecting flags that was not there or read incorrectly (see more detail in the Ask Jessica fourm). When ever I installed RU2 on my 2005 box, all my favorte shows started to cause problems(new law and order's come to mind). I called up my cable company and the TV station, cable company "we don't add any flags to those stations", TV station " we add flags to never copy, you should have no problem recording them as long as you don't try to copy them to another device".

    All started with UR2, and the rollup fix did not fix the issue. After going though a rebuild about 3-4 times (not just this issue) on My MCE 2005 box, I will never install Rollup 2, and I don't have any problems anymore (knock on wood). I have Comcast cable in the Groton, CT area.

    If people are having problems and rebuld their box, I would suggest to leave RU2 out, and see if they still have the problem. If not, just install it (don't try to uninstall after other updates, it will damage windows, I had to rebuilt once because of this). They should contact their provider or station to see if they are and what type of flags there putting in. Then post back to see if there is a true fix for it (or post in the Ask Jessica fourm), if it's a valid reason for not recording.

    Good luck,

    -Dave

    MCP, MCSA, MCSE 2003 Windows Vista Connected Exp:Home Theater for Technologists Windows Vista Connected Exp:Home Theater for Sales professionals

    My Media Center Blog and fourms....

    http://mc.anywherecool.com/Blog/

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    I was having the same problem with 'content prohibited', uninstalled 'Rollup 2' and haven't had it since!

    I also live in Canada (Rogers Cable) and use analog cable as my source through a dual tuner Hauppauge Wintv-pvr-500 MCE


    I would be very interested to know who is at the bottom of this problem. Does anyone here also own a Rogers PVR or Tivo? And if so are you getting any content prohibited errors?

    Another question: Since Rollup 2 seems to be, at least at this moment, at fault would upgrading to Vista bring back the problem? Is there a way to uninstall this particular update in Vista or is it integrated fully into the new MCE?

    Also, for what it's worth, when I was experiencing the issue it was the station 'Teletoon' (a cartoon network here in Canada) that had the error the most.
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    I've only seen it happen on some of the uppertier movie channels (and only on specific movies)

    knock on wood of course

    it does seem like Shaw is playing dirty
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    DavidinCT:


    As I 100% agree with you but, after Rollup 2, MCE started detecting flags that was not there or read incorrectly (see more detail in the Ask Jessica fourm). When ever I installed RU2 on my 2005 box, all my favorte shows started to cause problems(new law and order's come to mind). I called up my cable company and the TV station, cable company "we don't add any flags to those stations", TV station " we add flags to never copy, you should have no problem recording them as long as you don't try to copy them to another device".



    Noise?  Not noise, not here in Canada.  They are putting CMGS-A on it.  Want to see it?
    http://www.members.shaw.ca/RandyG/DRM/Line21_VBIscope.JPG

    As for the Cable company, they ARE adding it.   Macrovision distributes CGMS-A protection, and they license it directly to shaw.  ----> http://www.secinfo.com/d14qfp.zfn.htm

     The reason Rollup2 changed the behavior is that "Copy Never" wasn't an option in 2004.  So they added it to MCE in Rollup2.

    Options are:  uninstall Rollup2 (if you can)
                          purchase CGMS-A filters and run S-Video
                          unpack your VCR to tape all your favorite shows ;-)
                          beg Jessica to fix it



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    in this particular case, I don't think it's actually a MS problem

    I think the issue is that Shaw are being a bunch of asshats


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