DJBenson:

Is anybody else being told that posts now need to be moderated?

Just posted in a thread about EPG sources and was told my post needed to be moderated?!

This is a known issue with the current version of Community server.  We expect to have it resolved when we do the upgrade.  Until then, the moderators keep an eye out for this and approve the posts.

so i installed the update, im using an SD stb via s-video to my hvr-1600....menu mender doesnt work, which was already mentioned, but it seems IFC, USA and some other channels are now flagged...I get a "broadcaster prohibits this content from being copied. you can only play this content on the same computer on which it was recorded" message that I never seen before the update....has anyone else had this since this update?

mchrisb03:

2)  What is going to happen to the few updates that were coming out for VMC (via Cumulative Updates)?  Is MS going to support both VMC and VMCTVP at the same time providing fixes for both releases for issues that are present in both?  Doing so requires requires, among other things, regression testing different releases.  Or are the days of updates for VMC coming to an end because the primary and only focus will be VMCTVP?

This brings up a good point. If (and it's a big IF) there are any Windows Updates to VMC in coming months, will the presence of this "bootleg" update of TVP render them useless, uninstallable or worse, problematical? Will MS care considering we took it upon ourselves to download and install this "unapproved" update?

I can see a point in time where many of us are forced into reinstalling our OS because of update issues. That would suck after getting so enamored of our new-found enjoyment of the features TVP unlocked for our systems.

CycleWriter:

mchrisb03:

2)  What is going to happen to the few updates that were coming out for VMC (via Cumulative Updates)?  Is MS going to support both VMC and VMCTVP at the same time providing fixes for both releases for issues that are present in both?  Doing so requires requires, among other things, regression testing different releases.  Or are the days of updates for VMC coming to an end because the primary and only focus will be VMCTVP?

This brings up a good point. If (and it's a big IF) there are any Windows Updates to VMC in coming months, will the presence of this "bootleg" update of TVP render them useless, uninstallable or worse, problematical? Will MS care considering we took it upon ourselves to download and install this "unapproved" update?

I can see a point in time where many of us are forced into reinstalling our OS because of update issues. That would suck after getting so enamored of our new-found enjoyment of the features TVP unlocked for our systems.

This is one of the things I've been taking into account in my decision to hold off installing an unsupported, unofficial Vista upgrade.

wbbigtymer:

CycleWriter:

mchrisb03:

2)  What is going to happen to the few updates that were coming out for VMC (via Cumulative Updates)?  Is MS going to support both VMC and VMCTVP at the same time providing fixes for both releases for issues that are present in both?  Doing so requires requires, among other things, regression testing different releases.  Or are the days of updates for VMC coming to an end because the primary and only focus will be VMCTVP?

This brings up a good point. If (and it's a big IF) there are any Windows Updates to VMC in coming months, will the presence of this "bootleg" update of TVP render them useless, uninstallable or worse, problematical? Will MS care considering we took it upon ourselves to download and install this "unapproved" update?

I can see a point in time where many of us are forced into reinstalling our OS because of update issues. That would suck after getting so enamored of our new-found enjoyment of the features TVP unlocked for our systems.

This is one of the things I've been taking into account in my decision to hold off installing an unsupported, unofficial Vista upgrade.

Plus I HAVE an OEM system...a very new one, at that. I definitely should be able to get the TV Pack from Dell sometime after next month. If I can't, then I'll have a problem. But I can definitely hold off until then.

Sorry for the double post. I tried to delete one but the forum wouldn't let me.

According to Chris Lanier:

" I see no way that they could discriminate here.  An installed of a leaked copy will look exactly the same as an install from a valid OEM."


Therefore anyone with the RTM version will get the correct updates as normal.

Yes I saw this reponse as well. I think everyone misunderstood my (#2) concern. It is if you do not upgrade, will you still get VMC updates?  There is increased complexity and cost in supporting more than one release of VMC.  I could see where MS may start sending updates only for systems with VMCTVP even though they may be applicable to older VMC systems.

mchrisb03:

Yes I saw this reponse as well. I think everyone misunderstood my (#2) concern. It is if you do not upgrade, will you still get VMC updates?  There is increased complexity and cost in supporting more than one release of VMC.  I could see where MS may start sending updates only for systems with VMCTVP even though they may be applicable to older VMC systems.

We have already seen where plug-ins will not install on TVP because of conflicting version numbers. The same could happen with Windows Updates that involve VMC. Since only OEMs are supposed to distribute TVP, the likelihood is they will have specific VMC updates made available to them to distribute to their TVP customers. Meanwhile, normal VMC updates will continue to go through Windows Update, but may not be accessible to products patched with the TVP version code. Those people are expected to go to their OEM for any relevant updates.

So where wil that leave us bootleggers? We may not get important VMC patches via Windows Update because our version code identifies us as OEM customers or even worse, we may get an update only to find out it isn't compatible with TVP and it breaks VMC. Since MS has made no movement to stop the bootleg distribution of TVP they need to tell us how this will be handled. I don't want to wake up one morning (like I did last month with no internet when an overnight WU rendered ZoneAlarm unfunctional) and find my PC ruined.

The smart thing would be to place all VMC updates on WU as non-critical so that users are given a choice and they don't download or install automatically. That way we can distinguish between an update that is for TVP and non-TVP users. Of course, MS could just make the updater smart enough to figure out which version is which and patch appropriately.

So the version change in Media Center is nothing new.  The ident value in the registry has changed with every release and it has had a lot more changes then most think.  1.5, 2.0, 2.7, 2.8, 3.0, 3.1, 4.0, and 5.0.  Plug-ins would still have been broken on a non-OEM release if they are looking for a specific registry value instead of =<5.0 (I think Fiji is 5.1).

If there are TV Pack specific updates I would bet Windows Update is looking at that same indent value.  Those with TV Pack (From valid OEM or pirated web) will read 5.1.  Those without TV Pack will read 5.0.  TV Pack specific updates get deployed to 5.1 machines.  Non-TV Pack updates get deplyed to 5.0 machines.

I don't think you will see updates for the TV Pack going through OEMs.  Microsoft doesn't want that and franky OEMs don't either.

I do find it kind of funny that you think Microsoft owes you an explaintion because you illegally download an update and now you want "support" for it.  Doesn't matter if you agree with the OEM only decision, but that is kind of silly to me.

Chris -

Whats new about people demanding help with pirated software?

Sad but its true.

Chris - Moderator:

I do find it kind of funny that you think Microsoft owes you an explaintion because you illegally download an update and now you want "support" for it.  Doesn't matter if you agree with the OEM only decision, but that is kind of silly to me.

I didn't say they "owed me an explanation" for anything. I said that since they are fully aware that TVP has leaked out via the internet (and on their own site) and done nothing to stop it, they should at least tell us what issues we may have regarding future updates to VMC. No tech support, just a warning if  a bootlegged patched system that is running fine is in jeopardy from an update. You're right, it would be silly to expect MSFT to explain itself to anyone for anything it does.

rgreenpc:

Chris - Whats new about people demanding help with pirated software? Sad but its true.

Oh, so now it's "pirated." Kinda broadens the traditional interpretation, doesn't it?

rgreenpc:

Chris - Whats new about people demanding help with pirated software? Sad but its true.

Oh, so now it's "pirated." Kinda broadens the traditional interpretation, doesn't it?

CycleWriter:

I didn't say they "owed me an explanation" for anything. I said that since they are fully aware that TVP has leaked out via the internet (and on their own site) and done nothing to stop it, they should at least tell us what issues we may have regarding future updates to VMC. No tech support, just a warning if  a bootlegged patched system that is running fine is in jeopardy from an update. You're right, it would be silly to expect MSFT to explain itself to anyone for anything it does.

I fail to see the difference.  Under this concept every software maker in the world should come out and diagram exactly what happens so people can make an informed choice about downloading via BitTorrent or going and buying a valid copy.    After all, all software makers know that their stuff leaks on the web one way or another.  Addressing the people who use this software is hardly their job, duty, or anything else.  Their job is to provide support to the audience they released to, in this case, that is OEMs.

Anyway, I'm sure you will get an official answer at some point (and I think it will follow the lines of what I said above), but asking what will happen is saying that they owe you an explanation.